Jena 6 and the Republicans?

August 9, 2007

In case you have forgotten the history of the Democrat Party and the KKK, here’s your reminder.

I’ve had some people contest that the long history of the Democrat party isn’t so true today, but I knew better. I knew there were more examples in recent history and from time to time, I’ll point more examples out.
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The Jena six are being unfairly punished by those mean Republicans, or so you thought. We have all heard how this small town in Louisiana is racist, and of course it’s a racist town because they voted for David Duke and *gasp* George Bush. That’s enough to prove that the town is Republican, correct?

But why is the press ignoring the party of some of the key players in this case? I thought it was interesting that we are reminded time and time again that this is George Bush country and, oh by the way, voted for David Duke the same year Duke helped Edwin Edwards return to the Governor’s mansion by switching parties and becoming a Republican.

I found it curious why the major media wasn’t telling us that this guy is a Republican. Surely the liberal MSM would make it a point to do so if he was, right? I mean, we already know this has to be Republicans doing this, right?

Maybe, so I did my research, after all, this town doesn’t send Republicans to the state legislature… nor does it elect a Republican as D.A.’s, after all Reed Walters was elected as and continues to be a Democrat. Reed Walters also heaped praise on Speedy O. Long at his funeral, and oops, did I mention Speedy was one of them thar segregationist Democrats? That’s the beauty of being a Democrat, you can praise a racist segregationist and NOT have to apologize for it.
Of course Jena voted Kathleen Blanco(D) and not for Boby Jindal (R).

But let’s look at the leaders of this city, since we already know that the D.A. is a Democrat, what is the School board?

District 1 – W. O. Poole (D)
District 2 – Howard “Coach” McCarty, (D)
District 3 – Unknown
District 4 – Eli Cooper, (R)
District 5 – Billy Fowler, (N)
District 6 – Alvin J. “Buddy” Bethard, Jr., (D)
District 7 – Walter Creel, (D)
District 8 – Dolan Pendarvis, (R)

The city council is ran by Republicans, but it was mostly Republicans that ran for city council. Both Democrats that ran, won. For the 9/30/06 election results, click here. Keep in mind, whenever you hear how this is Bush-Duke Country, remember, it’s home to a lot of Democrats as well.

Now am I trying to justify anything here? No. Do I think the Jena 6 are being mis-charged? Yes. Do I think they should get off? No. Do I think the charges should be reduced? Yes. Should there be a change of venue? Yes.

Let’s keep in mind, that while they don’t deserve to be charged with attempted murder, this wasn’t just some brawl where six blacks where charged and six whites got off. This is a case where six people beating up one person. In all fairness, that doesn’t have the safety Justin Barker in mind. So while some of you think that I’m in the wrong, I just don’t see the Jena six as completely innocent here.

And while there are other activities that led up to this situation, it seems to me that Justin Barker’s only crime was being friends with the wrong people. I shudder to think that being somebody’s friend justifies a severe beating. Will somebody please explain why it’s alright for six people to beat up Justin Barker?

Think of this in the reverse, what if it were six white kids beating up one black kid in a predominantly black town because they didn’t like his friends. Would you then insist that the charges be dropped against the white kids, or would you want them to be held accountable for their actions?

Quite frankly, it doesn’t serve justice to charge the Jena 6 with attempted murder. Can the D.A. prove that their intent was to murder Justin Barker? I don’t think he can. I think ultimately any reasonable jury would say that the Jena 6 did not attempt to murder Mr. Barker, but rather give him a severe beating. Without the intent, there is no attempted murder. I think attempted murder is a tough case to make, and the D.A. ought to go with something lesser that he can convict them on.

The proper solution is that a change of venue should be granted and the charges reduced, and, if found guilty, time served should be the sentence and medical bills incurred by the Barker family should be divided up between the six. In the end, that gives these six kids who are being charged an opportunity to be vindicated, Justin Barker his justice for his beating, and puts an end to the extreme charge of attempted murder in this case.

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121 comments
fraley
fraley

Well!.....There are civilized people in this world. That is the nicest thing I have heard on this site . I would like to thank jummy for the compliment and is taken well. Thank You! I am glad I was not the only one that took on the mob. I did enjoy the debate greatly. The theme to my discussion was clear.........Racism runs in all colors and for one race of people to cry out racism without the proper evidence is racism in itself. And I believed I pointed that out clearly. It does seem to run more to the democratic side and that is a Fact! A very ill pill for liberals to swallow or even fathom. Fraley

jummy
jummy

congrats louisiannaconservative. it's evident that your blog posts have agitated the right people. but also, i raise a toast to fraley for your committment to the discussion. i like it when intelligent people lend their time to educating the unwilling. i don't know if you noticed as i did coming back to this discussion today that john is truly a special case. whereas i passionately questioned his sincerity, his response was to question my humanity. funny, that; especially in that he proceeded from that expression of utter basic negation of the personhood of those who might not agree with him as if readers were to understand him as a practitioner of unblemished collegiality. weirder still was his apparent trolling for the private e-mail addresses of anyone who registered agreement with you and louisiannaconservative. he apparently even got hostile when you broke off an e-mail exchange wherein he abandoned the issue and pried for personal details. i wonder what his game is? it's possible that he was pursuing the strange conspiracy theory he spat out with all-caps passages claiming you must be some sort of agent attempting to poison "the media" with preprepared talking points. louisiannaconservative should be flattered to be identified as "the media". but insofar as the actual media, in the general sense, is concerned, it might support his case a bit if he were able to identify where outside this blog the democrat party membership of the people responsible for the racial bias evident in the jena 6 case has been mentioned. or for that matter, the democrat party origins of the klan - a subject too infrequently touched on even in conservative talk radio. or any of the other things which you discussed which, even if they were compiled and served from gop headquarters, would still nonetheless be compiled of historical fact. why, i wonder, can't john simply allow you and i and others be the sort he requires us to take him for? that is, neither democrat nor republican; neither progressive nor conservative; merely an honest observer following his own concience. or rather in his case, one who lashes out at republicans, lashes out at critisisms of democrats, but beyond that, mysteriously defies classification. oddly enough he's quite confident in his ability to identify a secret republican operative when he sees one! i anticipated this sort of nonsense in the comments before i finished reading the original post. that is, the feined distress at the *very idea* that *anyone* would attempt to associate *either* party with the injustice in jena. this cynical pose is exposed and belied by the absence of such concerns anywhere where the dominant narrative of republican culpability is luridly asserted. louisiannaconservative offers some examples in his post, but a multitude of others can be found simply by googling "jena 6". so, i admire you fraley for applying historical facts to the busness of making hash of these fools. youve clearly left them wounded. as of friday they appear to keep posting with claims that they don't care that you've gotten the last word. i strongly suspect that if any one of them had admin privleges over this blog, they'd have deleted everything you wrote. i just don't suffer liars and fools well anymore. marxoid race/class theory is as unfalsifiable as a tarot card reading - a tapestry the weaver conceals himself with by closely covering all others. it's a non-scientific pursuit of "truth" over fact which belongs back in the 19th century alongside eugenics and the other monstrous illusions of the age. both are unfortunately still with us though, allong with, apparently, some pockets of the democratics' "solid south" mentality, among those who identify themselves as "progressive".

fraley
fraley

Like I said, nothing to say when confronted with facts!

fraley
fraley

Lauren........perfect example of how 3rd graders I mean democrats promote their feelings. Name calling ,nothing factual, and TOTAL disregard for the truth. Don't you hate it when you stand on the Jena 6 pulpit and Grambling comes along to prove the two way street of racism and you don't have the guts to admit it! SSShhhhh you do not make any sense unless you study facts. But I do appreciate the compliment. Fraley

Lauren
Lauren

OMG Fraley please get a life. And a brain. People have stopped responding to you because we are all tired of chasing your foolishness as you dance around with your retard's rhetoric. You are so tunnel-visioned. You became the joke of this page dozens of posts ago, you should have quit while you were ahead... although, come to think of it, you were never ahead.

fraley
fraley

Just as it should be. Nice and quiet!

fraley
fraley

It's a shame that the tree died...........Jena 6 wanted the white kid to die....... i guess it messed up their plans . the boy survived the brutality of their racism.

fraley
fraley

So you think the Grambling noose thing was funny? you are really sick. But the noose thing at Jena wasn't funny? You're losing me on your flip flop agenda here. g-night donald What's your input on Grambling? You don't have one because it doesn't suit your liberal agenda!! people call that a slam dunk.

Donald
Donald

Keep writing, Fraily; you are quite amusing.

fraley
fraley

when everybody quits writing .... so will I.... nice day to all.

fraley
fraley

typo ... insert >except

fraley
fraley

Isn't that funny how liberals do not want to hear the truth other than their on version of it and when they do hear the truth they tell people to HUSH! It's a talking point DOOONLad. liberals actually took a step further and placed a noose around the little black girls neck......... and black America on the most part doesn't have a problem exept the racist people that kicked in someone head for not going to those extents. ...............JENA 6 ARE THUGS! point proven in the liberal hypocrisy. Don't you love it when the truth comes out. I sure do!! Or are you mad because iI said God. I know the liberals don't like to hear that word. furley

fraley
fraley

no morals from the dems. Remember i am not a republican either. Hurts to receive a slap in you virtulistic face . right laddon

fraley
fraley

Nope no way londad ! the thing is . you will not accept the truth of things happening in America. which creates IGNORANCE. A man stands behind the truth chickens run. this sight should have never existed , especially based on what happened today at Grambling. democrats have never been known to be humble. Just ask Ted Kennedy. glub glub i wasn't driving drunk and kill her!

Donald
Donald

Fraily, You are the only one talking now. You have run everyone off with your fool talk - even your racist comrades. I told you already that you have become irrelevant. Do yourself a favor and hush.

fraley
fraley

Did I shut this page down...... where's the responses to the recent activities of the racists in Grambling? Are you only paving a one way street? Fraley

fraley
fraley

Hypcrisy, hypocrisy ....A noose actually went around a child's neck! shackled 5 and 6 year olds. They are children for God sakes! Where is the ACLU or the NAACP on this!!! Gary Fraley , Charleston S.C.

fraley
fraley

Jack. don't get stressed out . It's not good for your health. This is a forum to quote facts and give your personal impressions on ideas. If you are getting upset over what people say instead of what they do, it really isn't good for you. I appreciate your input on matters like everyone else. Have fun with this . Fraley

fraley
fraley

Hypocrisy hypocrisy......... Good ole Grambling st. Un. allowed elementry school kids on their campus where a school supervisor threw a noose over a tree limb , held a 6 year old little girl above her head where she placed the noose around her neck while other children watching , ages 5 and 6, were enslaved in shackles and chains. Everyone there in attendance was black. Where's the racism in that? OOhhh there won't be. According to liberal minds and quotes already taken from the black community they were perfectly fine with that."great learning aid","teaches them about being slaves" But they failed to mention how blacks enslaved other blacks and sold them to anyone who was nasty enough to be involved in such crimes on humanity. Don't know about you but as seen by jenna 6, you are allowed to go kick the shit out of the people that did that! Folks these are little babies. And they are teaching hatred to other races as muslims do to their babies at an impressionable age. Quite dangerous to teach hatred , don't you think? Morals people where are your morals? totally disgusting. Fraley and Farley to the lay mens.

fraley
fraley

Jack ....I had to say something to get you back in the game . You sounded as is you were quitting on us. I knew you would read what I wrote. Good to have you back! Iam ready to write about the republican party too. I had to find out who was who first. Now I know.

fraley
fraley

Did you watch the news today.... For the second time there was a layover in the democtartic city of Oakland did not let U.S. troops into their airport after flying from Kuwait then Germany then JFK. Their plane was shuffled to the far side of the flightline where they were made to sit for over 4 hours and not aloud to disembark. 203 brave soldiers not treated like everyone else. Not a one time incident. Definitely sending the true signal of a hate crime . Will not let the U.S.S. iowa to berth there. Where local gov. thinks it can supercede federal gov. a perfect example of socialim and anarchy.

John Hilfirty
John Hilfirty

FRALEY; You just highlighted the very reason I won't participate ..... You showed how hollow you really are - win at any cost, even if it means destroying your own integrity and honor, and just plain being obnoxious. If you are not a republican, you should be. Later! Jack

fraley
fraley

a few down and a few to go

John Hilfirty
John Hilfirty

Donald; I'm out of here !! My doctor tells me to avoid stress. There's just no sense to being a part of this. Life's too short! It's getting to sound too much like delusions of grandeur. But on a different note - the new forum display is much nicer than the old screen, but the numbering of individual postings was helpful. I do like the new look, though !

fraley
fraley

Your so called misinformation is national history and your denial Donald is what makes the country in a split of the evidence presented to you. Your half believes what is spoken and the rest is what is taught in academia. If you lived 1/100th of what I have been through , you would see how the world responds , instead of your little town. A majority of the world loves the U.S. unlike you. If you don't like it ....leave. you are free to do that. You must follow the laws of the U.S. and not your own. What I said is the truth and the only thing you could do to disarm it was to lie and present negetive feedback on my person instead of the issues. If you would listen you would learn. Remeber, history has a tendency of repeating itself and your denial on the action of hate groups makes you irresponsible. Do you want another 9/11? sure sounds like it?

Donald
Donald

John, You are so right on your point on discussing based on arguements produced by political parties. I have made it clear that I donot argue from the viewpoint of any party. I just seek facts where ever they may be found. The sad thing about people is that when they swear their avowed allegiance to any particular political party and cling to the mentality of racism then they become totally closed to any liberating information and they adamantly adhere to misinformation and become quite diligent in the fostering of the same. It is based upon this common tendency of people that I say that we have entered into the age of "Misinformation." The age in which people have lost the ability to analyze, rationalize, and realize; a loss that results from blind allegances and blind prejudices. You no doubt have seen much of this in some of these latest discussions. My experience with proponents of Misinformation on all levels is precisely why I begin all interaction with the benefit of the doubt, but leave a clear path for that benefit to run out.

fraley
fraley

What happened to the free speech. I was not allowed to present eveidence without ridicule? I stuck to my guns though. I hate racist people and they run in all colors . For you to deny that is sad. Gary

fraley
fraley

Donald , where do you get your info from .... Comedy Central because you sound familiar.

fraley
fraley

Wrong again John......... first and mostly I just do not offer to many personal facts about my self to people I do not know. The jobs I have worked on does not allow that and should be respected. I worked with the civil service dept/military for years. I am on a 5 year recovery from injuries sustained during operation enduring freedom or if I can recover at all. What I do and things in my life are better to be left confidential! I am not wrong about the dems. and kkk unity . that is in the history books and the thing I had sent , I told you was from a black author on the subject and gave you his website to follow up on the matter. I did not say those were my words but gave total credit to the man that wrote it. All I did was to pass along the truth. And you koolaid guzzlers could handle it. The main point I give is that Everytime there is an issue concerning 2 or more colors of skin, the democratic party calls foul before proof. The point also being that he had hired influential people in the black community and black America chose to not like them because the were republicans and not for how they performed their duties. which i can say was admirably.So you cannot say race does not run along party lines because it does and to deny it is ignorant I will say it again People are people so quit bring up race and color to escape criminal prosocution, to hide behind the law, and there was nothing right about the jena 6 thing . The severity of those crimes are different and should be handled on a 1 at a time basis.the talking point is that deocrats promote and bring up racism more than any one else and the minorities accept it and follow it which makes them racist. Fraley

John Hilfirty
John Hilfirty

DONALD ------ I stopped participating as soon as I figured out what was going on in this forum. I would think that everyone would soon realize just how foolish it is to try to reasonably debate any real subject with arguments that are produced by a political party, then distributed to the blind followers to send to every forum, blog, letter to the editor column, etc. that they can find. I tried to discuss things sensible and respectfully with Gary Fraley. I was perfectly willing to let him know who I am, where I live, and what and why I think the way I do. These are all factors which a reasonable person needs to consider when trying to unde`rstand why a person may feel a certain way about things. It's called understanding the writers perspective. But Mr. Fraley, for whatever reason, decided to refuse me any information about himself. Is he black? Is he white? Is he a Republican? Democrat? Liberal? Conservative? Does he even know? OR - is he just a made up character, created for an ulterior motive such as advancing the agenda or platform of a particular party or interest? I started asking questions of Fraley, after I noted two things about his diatribe: One, he waffles from one position to the opposite, if you read all of his manifesto. And two, he is very obviously quoting prepared position papers, or as they are called - "talking points." I receive them from both parties, and each thinks I am a loyal follower ready and willing to help the cause of their particular propaganda. But Mr. Fraley fails to sort the stale junk out, before using the stuff. Go back and read where My. Fraley credits the Bush administration (George Dubbayuh, you know, the one who can't even properly pronounce the word "NUKYALAR."? Isn't that scary?) for appointing two blacks to high ranking government posts. COLIN POWELL and CONDOLEEZA RICE !!!That appears in Fraley's offerring of 09/26 at 2:40 pm. He states that information to be correct "today." (9/26) But any person of reasonable intelligence knows better. And it didn't take me long to find information that is totally contradictory to Fraley's fictional account of the origin of the KKK. I truly think Mr. Fraley has been drinking too much kool-aid at the White House. The KKK certainly appears to have been started on a cold winter night in December of 1865, in a small town in Tennessee near the Alabama border, by six tired and defeated young confederate soldiers, who while drowning their sorrow in alcohol couldn't accept the notion of the slaves being free. They started it in an effort to scare the slaves into staying in their place and the movement took on a life of its own. Although the young men MAY have been Democrats (most poor and working class southern men were) their actions had nothing to do with the democratic party. Mr. Fraley makes statements, then as so many other people do, he refers to his statements as FACTS. If you repeat a lie often enough people will start to believe it. So will the person saying it !! The kool-aid simply speeds up that unfortunate phenomenon. As I said earlier - life is too short for me to be wasting it in such folly. And Donald, pretzel logic always brings you back to where it started.

fraley
fraley

Change the subject to personal attacks without proof.Ask questions with questions. The democratic inability to construct intelligable answers on comments. you are right on track Donald. Proves my point . What's the matter is that all you think you know? Running out of thoughts . do research on democratic hatred and enlighten yourself. you are doing good in the hatred dept. so far. That's why Rep. presidents have a higher overall approval rating. look at the dem. congress we have . 11% approval. lowest ever in nations history. bye

fraley
fraley

I would say poor Donald you actually lack the intelligence to accept truth which is your major downfall . you are correct ...you have admitted to being a self proclaimed racist. poor you donlad wait ... I know how to spell your name unlike you in your stuper. it's Fraley. not Farley. all you have is negative comments and you got pissed because I proved you wrong . sore loser go back and read your persnal attacks and your rants. It's on this page. getting confused again?

Donald
Donald

Poor Farley, The more he rants, the less coherent and less relevant he becomes. I started out my communications by stating, “I am convinced that you cannot reason with racists; their racist minds cannot see facts, only bigotry. Therefore, I speak only for the sake of the sensible.” I have afforded Fraley the opportunity to fit the mold and he has done so perfectly. Therefore he has completely exhausted his benefits; I now seek sensible communication. Maybe John Hilfirty is a prospect for informed communication. What’s up John?

Donald
Donald

Poor Farley, The more he rants, the less coherent and less relevant he becomes. I started out my communications by stating, "I am convinced that you cannot reason with racists; their racist minds cannot see facts, only bigotry. Therefore, I speak only for the sake of the sensible." I have afforded Fraley the opportunity to fit the mold and he has done so perfectly. Therefore he has completely exhausted your benefits; I now seek sensible communication. Maybe John Hilfirty is a prospect for informed communication. What's up John?

fraley
fraley

Perfect example of how the dems. treat the ones that protect them.......immoralistic! Police arrested 24-year old Michael Burkett of Boise early Sunday morning after officers with Capitol Mall Security reported spotting him vandalizing two flag polls on the grounds of the Idaho Statehouse. The flags are memorials to soldiers who lost their lives in the war on terror. “It’s certainly upsetting, not just to officers but for any citizen of this county who knows somebody who lost their lives in Iraq or Afghanistan,” Lt. Ron Winegar said of the ongoing investigation. Burkett was charged with resisting arrest and Malicious Injury to Property. He and his 22-year-old brother, Tom Burkett, also charged with the vandalism, are the sons of state Sen. Michael Burkett (D) of Idaho’s 19th district.

fraley
fraley

my typo was "a democrat not killing Lincoln" to install.... i was typing faster than my thoughts. my appologies....

fraley
fraley

Donald .... You have obviously defined yourself as an ignorant man or woman... (never can tell with the democrats). Democrats enforced the policy of slavery and use black/ minorities for their voting agenda..FACT. For you to call me racist is about as far from the truth as a democrat killing President Lincoln. A democrat did do that and his motivation was to "not free the blacks!" To enforce slavery . Leave the south alone we want to be our own country and torture poor souls, they wanted. We do not live in the slave days, but you certainly do.give it up! The republicans did more to form a great nation then any in history. According to the history channel , who was voted as the most popular and influential president in our history, LINCOLN! you are far from the truth where blacks suffered more. I am certain it has been the Jews and their plight from freedom from muslims and black muslims for thousands of years I am a believer in that portion of the Declaration of American Independence in which it is set forth, as among self-evident truths, "that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Hence, I am an abolitionist. Hence, I cannot but regard oppression in every form – and most of all, that which turns a man into a thing – with indignation and abhorrence. Not to cherish these feelings would be recreancy to principle. They who desire me to be dumb on the subject of slavery, unless I will open my mouth in its defense, ask me to give the lie to my professions, to degrade my manhood, and to stain my soul. I will not be a liar, a poltroon, or a hypocrite, to accommodate any party, to gratify any sect, to escape any odium or peril, to save any interest, to preserve any institution, or to promote any object. Convince me that one man may rightfully make another man his slave, and I will no longer subscribe to the Declaration of Independence. Convince me that liberty is not the inalienable birthright of every human being, of whatever complexion or clime, and I will give that instrument to the consuming fires. I am a retired jet eng specialist/flyer. (spec. OPS.) Disabled Vet . and to have someone sitting in their home not seeing anything but their underwear and not saving anyone's ass but their own is a racist . Treat people as people and quit bringing up the color of one's skin as dems. do, and maybe we could have a better country. Try giving up your life for the lives of other races and loving your job as I did. Inconsiderate Is what you are!!!!!!!

Donald
Donald

The fact that there were Black officers that participated in the Rodney King beating does not deprive the incident of its racist nature. Ignorant Blacks have long participated in some form or another in the system of white supremacy. In fact, this psychology was forcefully instilled in Blacks during the period of slavery and was reinforced consistently thereafter. Willie Lynch was an enslaver who mastered the science of pitting Blacks against each other and making them cooperate in maintaining their own inferior condition through the instilling of self hatred. During slavery mothers taught their children to obey the master no matter what and they were not allowed to form any unity or bond of affection with each other - not even their own family members. In fact, they were taught that it socially safe and religiously correct to love your enemy and despise yourself. It is no surprise that this mentality of self-hate that causes some Blacks to treat each other just as brutal as would any white racist is still prevalent in Black reality. As for African participation in slavery, it is true that slavery existed long before the the North Atlantic slave trade involving European enslavement of Africans. Africa, Asia, the Middle East, Europe - it existed at some time or another just about everywhere and just about all peoples have been victim of it (including Europeans, Caucasians, white people). The problem is that when Europeans became involved in the North Atlantic slave trade they changed the whole nature of the game. Nowhere in history had slavery been based strictly upon race, had been as brutal and inhumane, and had been so arbitrary and destructive as the European version of slavery. In the beginning Africans sold slaves to the Europeans just as they sold them to any other peoples, but when they began to see the sheer brutality and inhumanity of the European enslavers they began to back out. That is when the Europeans began to get more aggressive and started raiding different tribes for slaves. Some of the tribe, fearing for thte security of their own existence and wanting to remain free of European invasion, aided in the capturing and selling of Africans - not knowing European quest for slaves would be a long treacherous one and they - the African participants would soon themselves become victim. What many racists who like to blame the victims fail to acknowledge is that despite the fact that some Africans may have participated in the enslavement of their fellow continentmen, this in no way justify or excuse the treatment that white America meted out to Blacks from slavery, throughout the Jim Crow era and even thereafter. Why do you mention the case of O.J. Simpson? The same system that acquitted the cops in the Rodney King case and continue to acquit cops all across the nation even in the face of clear evidence of wrongdoing, acquitted O. J. Simpson. Where is your evidence beyond reasonable doubt that OJ committed these crimes? As far as your history book facts, I'm sorry but your history books have kept many of the facts away from you through whitewashing, distortion of truth, omissions, and just plain lying. So you have been indoctrinated into your racist thinking through the lies and deceptions of your history books; but sadly, most racists dont mind this type of victimization. As I stated before, the civil war was not about the emancipation of Black people and Abraham Lincoln was not primarily concerned with the abolition of slavery; that was only a strategy applied to achieve his main objective - the consolidation of the union and the industrialization of the nation. Finally, it sounds like you were talking about youself in your Sept 30 10:13am comment. I told you that racist tend to project their own self image onto others. With this in mind, my friend, I must say,"the benefit of the doubt has indeed run out!"

fraley
fraley

This whole page is propaganda....... that's what's funny about your statment . No offense meant to anyone. Gotta laugh.

fraley
fraley

That's funny.. infact most of the responses I hear I laugh at. What's funny is that you have no idea what my party affiliation is. I'll write to you later when I have more time Jack with my military/education background. I will say U of K is 5-0!! Fraley

John Hilfirty
John Hilfirty

GARY FRALEY : HOW COME YOU DON'T RESPOND? DON'T THE REPUBLICAN PROPAGANDA MACHINE PROVIDE "TALKING POINT" PAPERS TO COVER POLITE PEOPLE LIKE ME ???

fraley
fraley

Those are not skewed fact but historical facts . look it up and you'll see. If you want someone to comment on a subject , why don't you specify because typically you ask a question with a question leaving the matter vague as to what response you wanted . Do you think we can read your mind? And what I gave you is straight for history books and research I've done in the past. You are still giving me conjectures. You do your homework. And you really can't say to what I have given as hitorical data is not true. Because it is. You sure do ask a lot of questions for someone that knows it all. Why don't you start stating facts . Typically people become defensive and do not want to accept the truth. You are acting very defensive. Negative on Abe, Abraham Lincoln used the Dred Scott case to launch his bid for the U.S. Senate on June 16, 1858 as a republican to get away from the viewpoints the democrats and whigs enforced on people that were not white. Who else had the guts to do what he did. Do you not believe the attept to seperate the union was not race tainted. For that is what started the uproar and dissention between north and south in the first place. later, Fraley

John Hilfirty
John Hilfirty

DONALD; Please get in touch with me via email. (See # 37 above.)

John Hilfirty
John Hilfirty

Gary; A few days ago you and I began a dialog that I believed would result in a long lasting friendship, albeit one filled with disagreement about certain political concepts, and philosophy. But for whatever reason, you seem to have backed out of the private exchanges. That seemed to follow my asking you to tell me about you, personally. And my second request for your personal information again went unanswered. What happened here, my friend? Jack

Donald
Donald

Fraley, as is typical, you continue to miss the points, skew the facts, and just plain get it wrong. First of all, I think that you are referencing the wrong Doctine of Exclusion. Check out Maryland the Doctrine of Exclusion - which was first issued by the state of Maryland in 1638. It stated that "Blacks must be excluded from all societal benefits afforded to Whites and Blacks must forever remain non-competitve to Whites except in the areas of sports and entertainment." After Maryland issued this doctrine other states followed up with the Slave Law of 1665, stayed in effect - and was faithfully enforced - until 1968. My point in mentioning this and the other laws and policies in my previous comment was that there have been, and still continue to be, "conspiracies" in the form of governmental (legislative, executive, and judicial) decisions and policies to undermine justice and equality in the case of Black people in America. Secondly, you keep trying to associate me with one of these parties. I say, your democrats have done nothing more or nothing less for the good of Black people in America than your republicans. in the final analysis, the result has always been the same. Of course, you, as is typical, have mentioned Abraham Lincoln as the "Great Emancipator" of Black people from slavery in America; but the fact is that Abraham Lincoln was not concerned about the condition of Black people in America, he was only conerned about the advancement of the national economy through industrialization; the south was steeped in the love of slavery and was opposed to industrialization. In his addresses preceeding the civil war - which was a pro industrialization war and not an anti slavery war, as Americans are commonly misled to believe - Lincoln made it clear how he felt about Blck people. In fact, Lincoln left slavery as a secure institution in a few states that went along with his industrialization initiative. more comments later

fraley
fraley

Donald....look up Doctrine of exclusion, you're kidding right? I do not agree with it, but our country has to operate on the very socialistic laws that the dems. have put through. Which means... I know you know this, Big Government and more gov. programs for the druggies ,fatherless families (.Last week on cnn and fox as quoted to be over 80% black households.) Instead of going after the fathers. Free funding programs for illegal aliens. The democratic agenda...... the list is never ending. Oh yeah ... we are not practicing slavery(thanks to the republicans) so why bring it up? My ancestry or I had nothing to do with slavery. Rummage through African history.. the blacks were as much to do about the slave trade as the whites did EVERYWHERE in the world. Lincoln was at the front of the line to stop it and it reverberated throughout the world afterwords. yet it still happens in the middle east and in a select few of African nations which a lot of dems. are afraid to confront. But not the U.S.A. do me a Favor . read what i submitted on the 26th of sept. ......... This is not a one way street my friend. will accept comment . thanks, Fraley

fraley
fraley

To: A little more info , dicrediting your statment without showing the proof in the pudding I might add, The Kansas-Nebraska Act led to the birth of the Republican Party, which promoted an anti-slavery interpretation of the Constitution. Abolitionists found a home within this larger political organization that, while not abolitionist, was against the spread of slavery. The debate over free versus slave territories reached a new pitch with the case of Dred Scott. In 1847 Dred Scott sued for his freedom on the grounds that his master had brought him to live in free land. Ten years later his case was decided by the Supreme Court, which handed down the infamous decision that Scott could not sue because he was not a citizen of the United States and that no one of African origin could ever become a citizen. Chief Justice Roger B. Taney justified his decision by insisting that the Founders believed that African Americans were "beings of an inferior order, and altogether unfit to associate with the white race, either in social or political relations; and so far inferior that they had no rights which the white man was bound to respect." The controversial decision invalidated the idea of a free state, since any slave brought North by his or her owner would remain trapped in a legal state of bondage. Abraham Lincoln used the Dred Scott case to launch his bid for the U.S. Senate on June 16, 1858. Mexico severed diplomatic ties with the U.S. in protest after the annexation of Texas. Newly-elected President James K. Polk, rather than retreating, demanded even more concessions. In addition to extending Texas lands 150 miles southward to the Rio Grande, he demanded that Mexico cede New Mexico and California. The resulting war, presented by Polk as an invasion by Mexico of American land, divided the country, with Democrats siding with expansion, and Abraham Lincoln calling the war a "conquest brought into existence to catch votes." On March 6, 1857, Chief Justice Roger B. Taney lashed out against the antislavery movement and simultaneously reaffirmed his court's support for the emerging corporate order. He did both in Dred Scott v. Sandford when he declared, accurately, that the Constitution recognized no black person as a citizen of the United States. The Dred Scott case, which also found that the federal government possessed no authority to limit the expansion of slavery into the territories, has long invoked contempt. Nothing to help the black men until the republican party was formed and the Emancipation proclaimed!! Fraley

fraley
fraley

To: Donald Let's start with your analogies. hmmmm. Rodney King... in jail!! Multiple repeat offender of drugs ,duis, assault charges, etc... resisted arrest, and wasn't it 2 of the 5 charged in beating him were black? WoW! So seeing as how 40 % of those charged in that incident were black...that's racial? Sorry ,they were charged with police brutality laws. And as far as Dred Scott, the trial spanning from1847-1848 with our 11th president (Democratic) James K. Polk at the helm from 1845-1849 and his hand picked democratic racists.... sorry, I mean supreme court appointees, Scott didn't have a chance. Did you happen to read The Long, Sad, Violent History of Democrats’ Racial Hatred for Blacks Perry Drake May 2003 ? You should ,I posted it on the 26th of Sept. 63% of Americans polled had stated that Polk provoked the war with Mexico and did not protect Texas from invasion. ( what a guy!)

Donald
Donald

A typical act of denial of racists is to accuse victims of racism or others who speak out against racism as playing the "race card." If you are so concerned with the race card being played then blame the house for having it in the deck, not those who play the hand they are dealt. Black people in general would be happy to not have to play the race card. Even after Rodney King was viciously beaten by police his statement was "can we all just get along?" Remember the civil rights movement where Black people who were engaged in peaceful protest were beaten by police, attacked by dogs, sprayed with fire hoses, assassinated, etc? After all this (and more) Black people are still giving White people the benefit of the doubt, faithful that you will find your humanity. It is not the fault of Black people that racism exists in America and it is not racism to react to racism with hatred of the racist. In the early or mid 50's Mike Wallace of 60 Minutes did a program called 'The Hate That Hate Produces." This program focused on the "Black Muslims" as a hate organization that was reacting to white racism but typical of American racism, the condemnation was not the white racism but the so-called racism of that arose as a reaction to American white racism and injustice against Black people. Again, this is typical of white racism - to be in denial of itself while at the same time projecting its own negativity on its victim. As far as conpiracy theories are concerned, the esablishment and continuation of institutional racism did, and does, in deed require conspiring. Look up the historical "Doctrine of Exclusion," "the Slave Codes," "the Black Code Laws," "the Dred Scott decision," the "cointelpro" agenda against Blacks and many other American policies, decisions, doctrines and acts that required orchestrated thought and effort geared toward establishing and continuing racism and injustice against Blacks in America. The point of mentioning all of this is that the mentality and mindset that produced these types of laws, policies, doctrines, etc still exist and is prevalent in all aspects of American society. So yes, I am watchful of all such "conspiracies." As far as my ability to see the future, white American racism is not anything new and so anyone who is observant of the patterns can easily detect the next move. Finally, I do not know why you continue to associate me with any particular party; I have not seen enough form any party to think that any of the politicians have the interests of Black people in mind. Lastly, if any White person really mean well they should stop trying to address Black racism and instead address white racism. If that were to happen on a wide scale then I could guarantee you that Black people would be less tolerant of so-called Black racism. -the benefit of the doubt is a benefit that quickly runs out-

fraley
fraley

Geez Donald , are you in the police department down there. You have no idea what kind of treatment the whites or blacks in this ordeal were going to be given. So are you God you can see the future . or AAHHHHH.... you like others , (democrats)are doing their damnest to create the good ole cospiracy theory again. no truth to it plain ole CONJECTURES. honestly folks you and your answers are looking a little like pococurantes on this democratic side. Very lack lustered on the truth and facts. Fraley

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